• argon
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    Granted, in this situation, it’s a little more complicated than “victim and offender”, but that is what it’s being distilled down to here, with reality being flipped to present Ukraine as victim and Russia as offender.

    I’m not sure whether I’m reading this right. Are you talking about the “offender” within the context of the post, meaning “offender” = “the one who has Nazis in their ranks” or are you talking about the “offender” within the context of the war, meaning “offender” = “the aggressor force in the ukraine/russia war”?

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      Ukraine is both the army with Nazis in it’s ranks, and the original aggressor in the conflict in the Donbas.

      What was the Tornado battalion imprisoned for in 2017?

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      Basically what the other poster said, if that clears it up. And the reason I said it’s a little more complicated than “victim” and “offender” is because it’s not like Russia is a bastion of socialism motivated by a need to cleanse the world of fascists. They are anti-imperialist in practice because of their positioning in opposition to the western empire, but are also under the yoke of a post-soviet capitalist system, and their opposition to Ukraine being a NATO outpost doesn’t need to be anything more than self-defense against imperial encroachment.

      It’s also more complicated from the fact that Ukraine is both a kind of “offender” at the behest of western imperialism and their most reactionary elements, and also a victim of that same imperialism taking control of it to use it as a proxy against Russia and conscripting its people into a meat grinder. The west is the one who has facilitated the creation of this situation and sabotaged peace deals along the way.