I’ve been on lemmy for over a year now, and I just realized I used to read all those HackerNews articles + their comments, I haven’t done that in probably 6 months because the discussion here has gotten much better. What’s changed for you with Lemmy over the last year?
It’s become much more moderated and controlled. I think reddit is actually less controlled. I’m seeing conversations about Swedish immigration that would never be allowed on Lemmy.
On the other hand, I saw that Luigi was not allowed to be mentioned in Reddit now in some subreddit… So… Lol.
That’s correct: racism is more tolerated on Reddit than on Lemmy, and anti-capitalism is less tolerated Reddit than on Lemmy.
Every person and every platform has its biases and values, so it’s not as helpful to think of moderation and control as more-or-less, so much as what is being controlled.
For example, reddit’s revenue model led them to censor moderators during the API fiasco, and some of the communities on Lemmy since its early days are continuations of quarantined or banned subreddits. Meanwhile, most Lemmy instances take a stand against bigotry which would fly without a worry on reddit. This is a result of each platform’s values, what they as a community (or in reddit’s case, business) consider tolerable. reddit has the added constraint that they can’t alienate their advertisers and other sources of income, and face increased scrutiny from mass media (news articles are usually the cause of controversial subreddits finally getting enough attention to cause them to be banned).
Change your instance. You can still use lemmy and see what you want. No need to switch to a new service.
That’s the beauty of this place. Make it how you want.
I see a fair number of Reddit posts on the main page with 40k+ votes mentioning Luigi. I think that subreddit is in the minority.
pretty sure all they talk about on r/Sweden is immigration and “I’m not racist, but…” lol
Yeah pretty much. It discusses news articles about violent events where clearly it’s immigration organized gangs being responsible.
I think it’s fine to discuss that and be aware of it.
I think it’s wrong to not discuss it because some people think it’s racism.
As a fellow Swedish immigrant, I’m looking forward to my invite from foxkurdish to make some snabba cash.
The recoil to online immigration discussion is less about the connection between immigration opposition and racism, and more about how blaming immigrants for crime is a common misconception that is stupidly popular in Sweden and Trumpist circles. The US has blamed its crime problems on Jews, Italians, Irish, Chinese, etc over the decades, but it’s not like Jews, Atheists, and Catholics are “incompatible with American culture” like Swedish politicians like to parrot these days. So people on Lemmy think those people are talking bullshit and downvote them.
r/sweden got REALLY focused on immigration after people started leaving for lemmy, so that tells you something about the kinds of politics each site attracts.
My fun fact about Swedish immigration policy is that during WW2, The S government was so worried about increased crime and the economic impact of Jewish refugees that they convinced Germany to mark all Jews’ passports with a J so that they could ban all Jewish immigration into Sweden.
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-passen
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sveriges_invandringspolitik
https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-och-lagar/dokument/proposition/kungl.-majts-proposition-nr-198_do30198/html/
Also about the racism thing, not all anti-immigration politics supporters are racists, but people online make assumptions. Just like how people assume criminals are immigrants, people assume immigration opposers are racists. People are suspicious of simplistic, radical politics like that.
Why shouldn’t Swedish people blame immigrant gangs for doing crime when it’s explicitly said the crimes are by immigrant gangs?
That is not racism, and I don’t understand that take on it. If I went to Spain as a swede, and I joined gangs to make quick cash, and I committed crimes… And then the newspapers write about it… I’m supposed to feel they are racist towards me? That’s madness. I’m guilty of the crimes!
Same thing in Sweden. Immigrant gangs are behind organized crimes. We all want that to stop, and that you should include yourself living here. It’s not racism.
I never called anyone racist
Ok :)