Is it ok? Is there something else you recommend instead? I tried nextcloud talk and it was pretty bad. Jitsi was ok but self hosting it looked complicated. FOSS only, of course.

  • Kairos
    111·
    2 months ago

    XMPP is absolutely the best option if you don’t care about metadata protection.

    • solrize@lemmy.worldOP
      6·
      2 months ago

      XMPP does video chat, or at least voice? What clients do you recommend? Linux, android, and iphone are all of interest. Thanks.

        • solrize@lemmy.worldOP
          1·
          3 days ago

          Interesting, I’ll take a look at it, thanks., But I’ve been particularly interested in Jami because it runs on multiple platforms, is on F-droid, and is a GNU program.

      • Kairos
        1·
        2 months ago

        Dino and Conversations. Some don’t have OEMO so be careful. And yes it has video chat.

        • solrize@lemmy.worldOP
          2·
          2 months ago

          Thanks, I see conversations on f-droid so will try it. I don’t see Dino there but that’s ok. I’ll look up what OEMO is.

          • Kairos
            2·
            2 months ago

            Dino is on desktop. OEMO is XMPP’s implementation of the double rachet.

            • kixik@lemmy.ml
              2·
              2 months ago

              dino is a gnu+linux software, built with gtk4. If you’re using windows then the option is gajim, which in order to support omemo needs a plugin, though I can’t tell much more than that about it since I can’t even recall when was the last time I used windows.

              That said, conversations has one important setting if syncing devices, which is indicating that the client won’t delete messages, the server will. Not sure why that is not the default, I guess statistically most xmpp users just make use of conversations and that’s it. The other important setting is configuring security for omemo always. Dino doesn’t need any setting for letting the server delete messages (it does when there’s no pending device to be synced) and doesn’t offer that option, and at the moment the user must be careful and set each conversation to be secured by omemo with no exceptions, but it’s already merged on master, and waiting for a new release, the option for omemo always, as on conversations.

              That said, using xmpp doesn’t imply not having jami installed and keep trying it. Who knows, maybe you like it and it works fine for your purpose, and you decide for it to be you main messenger application.

    • LemoineFairclough@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      1·
      2 months ago

      I care about many things related to encrypted real-time communication, including what security engineers recommend (since their judgements probably incorporate things I probably don’t even know about or understand), so I don’t think XMPP is the best option for me.

      https://soatok.blog/2024/08/04/against-xmppomemo/ https://soatok.blog/2024/07/31/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-signal-competitor/

      https://www.privacyguides.org/en/real-time-communication/