• The Picard Maneuver@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    I’ve seen some of those posts, and while I don’t share the rage, I have to admit that it’s funny in an absurdist way.

    These early guardrails on AI are so clunky and will need to be refined for sure.

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      9 months ago

      It’s genuinely hilarious how lazy it is, the companies just appending “Racially diverse” to prompts at random.

      “Generate an image of a German soldier in 1943” and you get back a college advertisement full of Nazis, it’s ridiculous XD

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      9 months ago

      I think this is the correct response though, it’s absurd and a symptom of how these generative models work.

      The discussion should highlight for people that these models can be, and often turns are, wrong. There’s not a mechanism to verify factuality or accuracy, and you shouldn’t expect as much.

      Instead, this group of people go into the ol playbook and pull out “wow, minorities are being forced on me again!” Generating these silly conspiracies and manufactured outrage.

      Chill, it’s funny, laugh. Seeing minorities in something shouldnt be the reason (or the example) for outrage.

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      9 months ago

      It’s a real challenge. The datasets all have genuine bias built in and identifying and correcting it is incredibly difficult. I mean, there WERE people of color in historic Europe, lots of them. So you can’t correct this by just making them all white because that isn’t necessarily more accurate. But yeah, we know that King George wasn’t black.

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    9 months ago

    Honestly it bugs me that AI generates historical Europeans who are overwhelmingly and astonishingly attractive, by modern standards. The ‘historical accuracy’ crowd doesn’t seem to notice this bias… for some reason.

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      9 months ago

      Is there a chance that no one needed any AI generated pictures of historical figures in the first place (the only reason I can think of for making them is to agitate people on the internet)? They aren’t real and so obviously fake it’s not even funny. How do you want them to respond to this nonsense?

      We are entering an era where nothing on the internet could be trusted. You going to say we had misinformation since forever, but nothing on this scale and this easy to make and spread.

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        9 months ago

        And, most importantly, more difficult to discern, and getting more difficult as this tech improves seemingly exponentially. People are joking and making memes with Obama trolling on CoD, but this stuff is seriously concerning.

        I don’t think it’ll be long at all until we get a serious event caused by this tech and it won’t be confirmable one way or the other. And it’ll just get worse from there. We currently don’t have the tools or knowledge on how to deal with that, which is going to be problematic to put it mildly.

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    9 months ago

    It’s cause a lot of those fucks are serious. The surround themselves with other mayonnaise Americans and don’t physically see another race

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      9 months ago

      I remember when I was a kid and met a guy that didn’t think he was racist because he literally didn’t meet a single non white person until he was an adult. Yet somehow he already had all kinds of opinions about them.

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      I mean… It’s not like most of European history happened around the Mediterranean sea which has a whole gradient of skin color around it. Who would have thought people could have dark skin in a place where check notes people have dark skin. Unbelievable

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        Guys doesn’t it seem a little more likely that this ai is more likely to have been tampered with in some fashion as opposed to the astoundingly unlikely occurrence of it coming across one of the astoundingly rare instances of non racially European European nobility and producing like 10 back to back fabrications of non racially eruopean nobility (I’ve seen the post op is talking about)?

        I think it might be more likely that whoever had prompted the ai is hoping to create a fuss and you are all being duped by engaging with their tomfoolery.

        Perhaps it is best not to engage in such needless adversarialism.

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    You say people moved from Africa to the Mediterranean and maybe even further north just to be in a picture and all this in history?

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      In this case it’s that the AI was race switching known historical figures. But that does highlight the problem. You can’t just tell the AI that Europeans are white because it’s never actually been true. There were POC all over Europe for basically all of recorded history. There just isn’t a switch to flip here, the AI needs to be able to understand race in context.