• dunidane@lemmy.sdf.org
      311·
      11 days ago

      I think in theory it was an easy election but I don’t think for her it was. There is a huge well of racism and sexism in america that makes anyone not white male to run for the highest office and harder for each deviation from it. Biden holding past any primaries does take away from promoting democracy.

      But her and the dems dropped the ball hard. They shut down the working weird rhetoric. They worked towards the right, a competition they would never win. They failed to create an image of enough change and hope to climb the cliff of bigotry she started at the bottom of.

      • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        116·
        11 days ago

        She was also part of the administration that gave continued, open, full-spectrum support for israel’s genocide and sent riot cops to beat down the college kids protesting it. I suspect this also factored into her loss.

        • ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.netEnglish
          77·
          11 days ago

          And not only was she a part of that administration, she did nothing to distance herself from it.

          I’d give a lot more stock to “she was just VP she couldn’t do anything” if she had been campaigning on “Biden fucked us all over, and he’s doing genocide, and if you elect me I won’t be like him.” But instead her message was “I’ll be Biden again but slightly worse”

          • Dessa [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
            55·
            11 days ago

            They said “How could she run against a cabinet she was part of” like this isn’t the exact sort of thing poliicians are good at.

            “While I am proud of the good that Joe and I were able to achieve while in office (list policies you support and that are popular), we don’t see eye to eye on every issue, such as (unpopular policy).”

            What’s biden gonna do, fire her?

              • MemesAreTheory [he/him, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
                10·
                11 days ago

                disagree. Sitting VP is the only position in the white house that cannot be removed at will of the President (by rule of law, so you know, drone strike excepted). That’s a good thing, because it means they can and should speak out against unpopular policies and use their profile and position to be an additional check on the powers of the presidency. She could have eviscerated his support by declaring him unfit to rule, a war criminal, and promised to do better, and there’s nothing (constitutionally speaking) that could have been done to retaliate against her. If votes came up in the Senate to progress his war criminal agenda she could have tie breaker voted against them, she could have used the prestige of her position to speak to the press constantly about an insider perspective of his cruelty and sun downing, but no, she was a a good little minion waiting her turn to drive the genocide machine. It’s the ultimate cowardice. I hear libs say “what could she have done? she was underneath him…” and it’s like, mother fucker she is the most job stable ‘underling’ in fucking history. Use that for literally anything other than gleeful compliance.

        • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
          34·
          11 days ago

          media continuously downplayed this until recent polls have come out showing most people who would have voted Dem but didn’t did it over Palestine. They can’t hide it anymore. They lost because they are rabid Zionists

      • jack [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        74·
        11 days ago

        There is a huge well of racism and sexism in america that makes anyone not white male to run for the highest office and harder for each deviation from it.

        Obama was the most popular president in decades because he was willing to lie and say “I will do good things”. Harris was not willing to lie and say “I will do good things” because her donors would get mad.

      • RNAi [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        54·
        11 days ago

        Even if she was DaPerfectCandidate, the platform she ran on was the problem. They repeated over and over “we will keep doing the same thing we have been doing and we are proud of ourselves”. People hated that. Biden won because he promised things people wanted, and then (unsurprisingly) didn’t do. Now this person was saying “yeah we will keep on not doing the thing you voted us to do, oh btw a bit more racist and homophobic cuz that’s what the republicans want”

        No amount of “weird” rethoric would salvage that.

        This situtation mirrors perfectly why Hillary lost. Obama promised cool things, didn’t do them, people gave him a second chance, didn’t do shit either, and now comes this lady not even promising cool things, people said “Fuck off, I’m not voting for you, maybe not voting at all”

        Trump and Covid happened, massive shift in the whole world, now suddenly every fucking disgusting Dem slug was promising good things, people fell for it again because, hey everything is different now, maybe they are different too. But obviously wasn’t the case.

      • anarchoflandish@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
        44·
        11 days ago

        All she had to do was promise to pull the US out of doing a genocide. Heck, she could have simply shown some pushback to Joe. But nope. She’s a zionist so…

        • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          26·
          11 days ago

          this

          She could have even rationalized it as the “lesser evil” to tell a campaign lie to get elected. Pragmatic. Adults in room stuff. Every electoralism lib would have defended that until they were blue in the face.

          But that was too big of an ask. Incredible moment. 99% Hitler couldn’t even lie about being 98% Hitler to beat 100% Hitler.

      • miz [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
        32·
        11 days ago

        all she had to do was lie about the slightest relaxation of the murder campaign against Palestine but she wasn’t willing to piss off the zionists

        • Dessa [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
          24·
          11 days ago

          They wouldn’t even allow the most milquetoast of palestinians to speak at the convention – Which would be the sort of coopt and coverup operation the dems used to be good at.

      • miz [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
        34·
        11 days ago

        The night before the Oklahoma rally I met with my campaign manger, Robby Mook. Robby was in charge of the campaign computers, but he was so smart that in many ways he was like a computer. He had bad news. “Oklahomans see you as an aloof New York intellectual,” he explained. “They’ll never vote for someone like that. You need an image they can understand and respect.”

        “What if I ate a big hunk of beef on stage?” I helpfully suggested. “We need to think bigger,” said Robby. “I’ve consulted the Algorithm. It told me that Oklahoma voters love cowboys.” I liked where this was going. “It also told me that what they hate most is … cattle rustlers.”

        “Robby, you’re a genius,” I said. We spent that night crafting my new persona, a persona we believed would win me the election. The next day, I sauntered onto an Oklahoma stage wearing a full cowboy outfit, firing a pair of six shooters in the air. “Howdy,” I said to the crowd, “I’m Sheriff Hillary,” I received the biggest applause of my whole career.

        “If there’s one thing I hate,” I announced, “it’s varmints. And the worst varmints of all are cattle rustlers. make me your president and I’ll put a bullet between the eyes of every rustler in this state.” For emphasis, I bit a chunk out of a hunk of beef.

        The crowd roared. They loved it. A chant started: “Death to rustlers! Death to rustlers!” Then a scuffle broke out in the front row. Three men dressed in denim tackled and hogtied a small, weasely-looking fellow. They dragged him up on stage.

        “Ms. Clinton,” one man said, “this fella here is a rustler. He stole three of my prize cows last spring. If you kill him right now, everyone in this room will vote for you.” The crowd began a new chant: “Blood! Blood! Blood!”

        The bound man pleaded with me. “Yes, I stole those cows,” he said, “but I only did it because my family was starving. Please, spare me. I’ll never rustle again.” My life and career have been defined by hard choices. This was perhaps the hardest choice of all. My phone buzzed. A text from Robby. It read, “The Algorithm says: the rustler dies.” “I’m sorry,” I told the man as I raised a pistol. “It’s not me. It’s the Algorithm.”

        I squeezed the trigger.

    • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      11·
      11 days ago

      i told you so

      For the same reason they think shaming minorities and saying “I told you so” online at the moment is a good idea.

      For the same reason they’re smiling about Gaza getting bigger bombs dropped on it.

    • WoodScientist [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      5·
      11 days ago

      They need to run a former Democratic primary candidate who has the bona fides to truly win over Republican voters. Dems keep trying to appeal to Republicans, but it never works. They need a candidate that the right will finally accept.

      Say hello to 2028 Democratic presidential candidate David Duke!

  • sweatersocialist [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    34·
    11 days ago

    straight to the gulag with this fucking rube.

    “yeah she lost to him but imagine if this time when she ran she did it while telling everyone ‘i told you so’. surely that would win everyone over who refused to vote for her last time”