Typical bully behavior, beat up on the small kid, who cant defend himself. We used to be the big kid who stood up for the smaller bullied kids. Now we’re the bully. It makes me sick.
During his visit to Greenland, Vance added, “We can’t just ignore the president’s desires.”
yes. yes we fucking well can.
You can’t JD. The rest of us absolutely can.
He is a slave to that POTUSsy
I still want to know about how a member of leadership from a foreign country could visit a host country, insult the host, attempt to make a propaganda film to support the forced annexation of that country, and repeatedly state their intentions to take the country by force if necessary and not have it be considered a declaration of war.
Seriously, if this were literally any other time in human history or any other country involved, bombs would have been dropping by now.
Declarations of war are formal documents delivered by a foreign minister to an ambassador and are legally binding.
Some prat running their mouth, even if they’re a senior governmental official, has never been a legal declaration of war.
You seriously think that any other world leader in history wouldn’t consider what Vance did a declaration of war because he didn’t file the right paperwork?
At the very, very least, he would have been militarily escorted out of the country and had his base seized.
You have a very melodramatic impression of diplomacy. War is very expensive.
It’s still a blatant attack on their sovereignty, whether you want to call it an “act of war,” or not. Denmark should be, at the very least, shoring up defenses. I would believe Trump when he says he needs to do this.
Denmark is currently investing heavily in seamines, ships to handle the seamines and underwater surveillance. Unfortunately I fear it’s too little too late, but only time will tell I suppose.
No matter what, the best bet is to make the invasion so costly it won’t be worth it for the US.
My only (possibly last?) hope is that, if he begins some kind of invasion, that it’s over whatever line that our military leaders have drawn in the sand in terms of obeying unlawful orders, and they refuse.
I’m not optimistic.
Which is why it’s been waged almost inconstantly for the entire history of the human race?
You seem to be purposely missing the point of the other poster when they say declaration of war and probably meaning an act of war
Yes!
I feel it comes down to money as always. The modern world works on markets, not nationalism.
It’s why these ideas get floated around without consequence. Business just ignores the ideas it till it impacts the bottom line. Then they make whatever changes are best for them, very seldom are the changes made for principles or morals.
The US knows this. They attack Canada without declaring war to convince businesses to invest in the US instead of Canada. It works for the most part, tragically.
“Everybody hated the Nazis but not enough had a problem doing business with them though.”
Edit: Canada will be alright. We’re bringing down interprovincial trade batriers. It’ll help gets projects done all across the country. Out word is gold as well. We keep our promises, unlike the US who don’t realise how destructive breaking all their agreements really is. It makes sense to invest in Canada. We just have to show that to the rest of the world.
Vance is full of shit.
Denmark has kept it’s promises and patrolled the entire area for all these years. The latest encounter with Russians was by he Danish patrols. They all were.
USA used to have 6000 soldiers on Greenland. Today they have 150. USA has done jack shit with their military bases on Greenland, except for leaving behind environmental disasters, which Denmark has paid for cleaning up.
Is Denmark not treating the Greenlanders right? Maybe, but how will they be treated by USA? Will they even get to vote in American elections? I fucking doubt it.
how will they be treated by USA?
Women’s reproductive healthcare ban, end of universal healthcare, elimination of science in schools, state religion, child labor, concentration camps for protesters, end of free speech, slave labor wages and rigged elections.
Not only that, iirc Denmark offered the US a much larger military presence on Greenland, and the Trump admin denied the offer. I think it even included some mining claims. Still not enough. It really seems like the goal is nothing short of full territorial control. But the reason appears murky. Like if it is saftey, why is larger military presence not enough? It really does appear to be a lie.
Because the Danish administration 20 or 100 years from now could easily change their mind. For safety, you want to have full control.
Denmark has a movement to buy California from America. As an American citizen, I fully endorse this concept.
LOL. California is more likely to buy Denmark than the other way around.
Denmark can pay the USA in ozempic pills.
SLAAAAAAMS
I’m so Fing sick of every news article says “SLAMS” JFC
I hate the ones that say “Claps back at…”
Let’s not forget DESTROYS
What in the fuck even is this Greenland thing? There is obviously no way that any one would have ever taken it seriously so why even put it out there?
Is this reaction fog of war they are injecting into the media narrative to obscure the fact they are running disappearance/ concentration camps?
Sometimes I think they’re trying to scare up NATO spending, but they’re doing it in an entirely pyrrhic way.
Mostly I think they have a 1970 RISK level understanding of the world and do not understand how alliances work.
They talk about geopolitics like they’re 14 and think everything is zero sum, lacking even the most basic elements is game theory and economics.
They talk about geopolitics like they’re 14 and think everything is zero sum, lacking even the most basic elements is game theory and economics.
Yeah. I know some of those types. The almost always misunderstand the moment and deploy some of the worst strategies.
Europeans are finally increasing their defense spending. Asking them nicely for the last decade didn’t work.
Sure they’re increasing their defense spending. But not really in the interest of USA.
USA wanted european defense spending to increase for multiple reasons:
- To funnel european money into the american military industrial complex.
- This isn’t happening right now. Europeans are prioriticing european contractors.
- To fight in american wars of agression around the world.
- Fat fucking chance when USA is threatening wars of agression against NATO countries.
- To defend against Russia.
- With Putin owning Trump, this is now against Trump’s interests.
- While the threat from Russia is pretty big, they’re not in any way in a position to fight anything bigger than Ukraine.
Or, hear me out, maybe the Americans simply didn’t want to pick up the tab for European defense.
Russia is a much bigger problem for Europe than for the US.
Greenland is a strategic position, especially with glaciers melting off.
Russia wants his puppet to take it over for them.
It’s between a potential trade route for the US and Russia as well as an increasingly important route for military vessels and eventually high amounts of trade as populations move further north due to global warming, which they obviously believe in when they plan their own future actions.
Hmm. You think this might be an extension of Russian foreign policy?
So instead of “What does Trump gain from this?” we should be asking “What does Putin gain from this?”.
That is one of those things I’ve never really been able to fully wire in. Why is Trump seemingly so perpetually willing to enact (and somehow aware of) Putin’s will? Its totally out of character for him. Trump is incredibly predictable. Maybe one of the most predictable people there is. Whatever serves Trump, most directly and completely, whatever elevates him above all others; this is the thing he will do.
And yet he always defers to Putin. I’ve never fully understood this. I know we can all speculate, blah blah, peepee tapes, blah blah we all hate Trump sure.
But it still doesn’t match. He’s a guy who doesn’t keep promises. He doesn’t pay his debts. He’ll lie, cheat, steal, anything, to set the situation up to serve himself. Why is he keeping this one? Why is his loyalty/ sycophantry to Putin beyond reproach?
Maybe they’ve got something really, really big on him. Something he values beyond all else – even money, even fame, even attention, even power, since those seem to be all he loves.
Maybe Putin convinced him years ago he will bump off Ivanka if he doesn’t obey, or something.
Something he values beyond all else – even money, even fame, even attention, even power, since those seem to be all he loves.
This is exactly why I struggle with the assertion. I literally can-not come up with anything he loves any more than himself. He’s not a loyal person; he has no loyalty in him: its a purely one way street, loyalty is only a thing shown to him, not something he ever shows to someone else. He would sell Ivanka, or anyone in his family, and has, for a mere peppercorn.
Which is why I come to the conclusion that the explanation is insufficient. There is something being missed here, even if we don’t know what it is. And until we can identify that something, we wont be able to build a strategy that splits Trump off from the real source of his power: Putin.
Perhaps his admiration of despots like Putin, and his seemingly desperate desire to become like them, to be considered an equal by them, is the thing that drives him. It could be that he just truly, truly wants to be like Putin, so does anything he can to impress or aid him.
If that’s true, then there’s really nothing anyone can do. (Well, nothing I can mention, that we all know full well, without being on some lists).
I had a kindergarten teacher who grew up in Romania suggested a similar interpretation to me. I should have her over for wine and pick her brain on the matter.
I do think it matters to understand the mind, however horrendous, of someone like Trump. There is plenty to do. Lots of work ahead of us.
I still think he would let Ivanka die to save his own ass if it came down to it.
Maybe they have a video of Jared Kushner fucking him or some shit
‘There is obviously no way that any one would have ever taken it setiously’ is exactly how we came into the shitstorm that is the trump administration. Twice. The public needs to hold politicians to their word, no matter how absurd. If they can’t be serious when addressing their base, how serious can we expect them to be when dealing with allies and adversaries?
‘Bro, your wife is so hot I dream of sleeping with her all the time’
‘Hitler wasn’t so bad, he was acting in the interest of the country’
When does it end? Both those statements deserve a swift punch in the face.
No one is rejecting the seriousness of whats going on. If you dont get that, then spend more time developing context for the comments you are responding to.
Panama. Greenland. Canada. Gaza.
It truly feels like Trump is desperate to cement his place in history with a territorial expansion. I honestly think these seeds were planted by Putin to destabilize Euro-American (and NATO) relations.
I mean look, it’s so disgusting, but because of Bidens failure to restrain Israel, the political structure for whatever ambitions he has in Gaza have weight.
But Canada? Greenland? Panama?
Look maybe he could strong arm Panama. If it was all he did with the US military in it’s entirety.
But Canada? Like, give me a break. Even with the entirety of the US military they couldn’t do this. And what the world’s going to just stand by?
And Greenland? why? For what purpose? To what ends?
It really doesn’t make sense.
Except maybe what you are saying.
Is he trying to copy Putin?
Unfortunately, it appears as though Trump is very serious. It’s terrifying.
Leave our European siblings alone already
