Update: The parties of the left coalition have publicly reaffirmed their commitment to the coalition, sending a message to Macron that they will not govern under the liberals

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    I want to say, I’m French and this is reassuring. Sure it’s not a massive victory for the left, because New Popular Front is full of succdems, but it’s actually a massive defeat for the far right and the media who support them. It’s cool that their demonizing of the only truly anti-racist party (LFI) didn’t work. It’s also a small defeat for the neolibs who are just in the low phase of their cycle of holding power.

    We’ll see if fuckhead president will choose to take full power and rule alone or take a succdem imperialist prime minister and continue business as usual

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      Oh yeah this is much more a story of Macron’s negative political instinct and a massive fumble by the far right with a wide open door as a path to power. This is a HUGE rejection of the far right

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        i want to believe but ive been so broken by the crushing of the yellow vest and retirement protests that nothing short of a revolution will give me hope… I’m still happy the far right got their asses handed to them after months of media circus

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          tbf pedro bungled his first few tries at snap election, and he never got what he wanted which was an absolute majority, ended up having to do what he didn’t want which was letting podemos into the government

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        So, what does this mean for future legislation in France?

        The big question is whether or not Macron is going to uphold the tradition of naming a prime minister elected by the majority faction of the National Assembly. If he does so maybe France will have some social democracy as a treat and recognise the state of Palestine if we’re lucky.

        He could also not give a fuck as far as I know, French president is a de-jure dictator in the fifth republic’s constitution.

        He could also resign which would be… funny I guess?

        Or the Presidential race once Macron’s term is up?

        Too soon to know about that. Mélenchon could come back or not, if he doesn’t nobody knows who would run for LFI. The next mainstream neolib too is unknown. The only certain thing is that we have our Party For Racism that will probably be a threat as usual

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        not much, the left is not in the majority. This basically means that the president and the PM (nominated by the president according who controls the parliament) the house will probably not agree on anything until the next election. The left coalition can probably form an alliance with Macron’s coalition to pass certain legislation which will betray their commitment. Or the President can stall the parliament until the next election and the coalition breaks and eventually loses (IIRC this is what happened last election when France insoumie and the Socialist party “splitted” the vote)

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      Le programme concernant l’international fait l’objet de forts compromis172,173, en particulier le conflit israélo-palestinien174,175 :

      Agir pour la libération des otages détenus depuis les massacres terroristes du Hamas, dont est rejeté le projet théocratique

      you know who compromised more.

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        Yeah sad AF

        I respect Mélenchon mostly for being decent on China, Russia and Palestine, which is what’s most controversial about him. Strategically it makes sense to throw geopolitics under the bus so the pink imperialists would go along, but it’s sad nonetheless

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          I think the geopolitical matters is not the main thing i like about Melenchon. Yes, he is good at it, but over years France is fluid in their foreign policy, Macron talked big on Chinese Human right issues last term but when money talk comes, the dude still goes to Beijing to secure more contracts. Mélenchon’s last election promised electoral reform and the dissolution of the 5e republic, which is needed and necessary, but I have yet seen a party that will dissolve the system that allows them to come to power in the first place.

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            That’s true, we’re mostly big time opportunists on international matter. Let’s hope we at least keep it that way so we can pivot out of US influence.

            The idea of changing the constitution is one of the things that gives credible hope. However I’m not totally confident in our ability to not be toppled like Gaddafi or Allende if that happens

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            Actually he only got further left by growing older. He learnt about Islamophobia, transphobia, anti-colonialism and integrated everything to his political line. He was at the big tent succdem party at some point and now his party is treated like an existential threat by the French bourgeoisie

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    I hate to be a downer but… It is good and valuable that the fash didn’t do as well as all the talking heads on TV predicted/hoped. It is also good that the centre-left coalition is the largest block, ahead of the various reactionary ones.

    But… but… We are celebrating that the “left”, and by left we include succdems and libs, got roughly a third of the seats in parliament. That the left, by the widest possible definition of the term, is a minority.

    I don’t know French politics but I know centrist liberals. They might be mad about the fash eating their lunch but ultimately they are going to follow the class interest they represent and side with the fash against the left, especially if the fash offers to support a liberal government in return for crackdowns on those deemed inferior.

    Sweden used to be the prime example of “good liberals” with the succdems and the “respectable” right agreeing to keep the fascist SD party away from all influence. But in the end the temptation grew too big and now Sweden is ruled by a right-wing regime supported by the fash.

    I will be surprised if the “respectable” French centre-right doesn’t end up doing something similar in the end.

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      I think RN/Ensemble coalition is unworkable, at least right now. Macron’s brand is staked too much in being the safeguard against the fascists, and I don’t see RN having any reason to hitch themselves to what has been a very unpopular administration. At the very least, these results mean that if either Macron or RN wants a functional right-wing government, the political costs are going to be severe.

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        but allying with centrist party tanks the ideological party, so the danger is in npf working with ensemble, and tanking its support by doing grown-up realistic compromises

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    I was happy about this, then I saw that they want to keep sending weapons to Ukraine and back a two-state solution in Palestine. Still better than the demokkkrats but that’s a low bar. The French left still hasn’t learned how they lost everything after 1945 because of their appalling foreign policy, especially with regard to Algeria and Vietnam.

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      François Hollande, former head of the Socialist Party, is the controversial figure who started the Pension reform because French populace needs to live austere in difficult time.

      This party is one of the main members of this left coalition

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      Its a grouping of 5 smaller leftish parties, so pretty ideologically diverse. It only came together like two months ago per CNN, ad hoc when Macron called for the general election.

      Their main unifying factor is not wanting the far right in control.

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      Center left neoliberals (your modern socdems) are the second largest party in the coalition, the first are left populists based around the celebrity character of Melenchon, the 3rd are green eurocucks and 4th are the old school communists, then there’s a sputtering of center to left parties