• Aceticon@lemmy.world
    667·
    6 months ago

    Notice how one of the underlying messages of the cartoon is that it’s Zionist Karen that is the real antisemite: by deeming that those demonstrating against the killing of children are antisemite (literally: against Jews), she is implying that killing children is a Jewish thing to do.

    This is very much the kind of racism displayed by those who equate anti-Israel with antisemitic: they’re implying that Israel and its actions are all core Jewsih chracteristics, de facto slandering all Jews including those who disagree with Israel and/or its actio s, so they’re the ones who by definition are antisemite.

    • TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee
      41·
      6 months ago

      Zionist != Jewish, sorry. Killing children is something I would expect neozionists to be apologists for, not postzionists.You have a flawed premise.

    • Smoogs@lemmy.world
      924·
      6 months ago

      Can we knock it off with the karens already? I haven’t yet met a bad person named Karen. Brenda. Now I’ve met a few train wrecks named Brenda. Or just maybe we can knock it off with the underlying red herring sexism. We know already karen is a catch all term to get the hate pointed at women and off of the gun toting proudboys.

      • Rainonyourhead@lemmy.world
        121·
        6 months ago

        maybe we can knock it off with the underlying red herring sexism. We know already karen is a catch all term to get the hate pointed at women and off of the gun toting proudboys.

        “Karen” started as a term for white women weaponizing their whiteness to behave unreasonable, aggressive and entitled towards BIPOCs, despite being marginalized themselves, through their gender.

        White men has conveniently left out the whiteness that they themselves participate in, and focused in on the white women, essentializing the unreasonable, aggressive and entitled behaviour as linked to white women’s gender, rather than their whiteness

        Classic co-opting. A social dominant group taking a term that’s been used by marginalized groups to critique the systemic oppression inherent in current power structures; and instead use it to uphold and reinforce the current power structures and their inherent oppressive systems.

        • Hyphlosion@donphan.social
          3·
          6 months ago

          “Karen” has long since transcended past race and gender. I don’t care what you look like, it’s the attitude and the way you treat people that makes one a Karen.

          You don’t have to be a white woman to have main character syndrome and act entitled to everything, treating people like dirt if you don’t get your way and climbing up the customer service ladder until you do, trying to get the people on the lower rungs fired because they told you no.
          Or call the cops on someone in a park because you thought they were too loud with their skateboard. Or drop to the ground and scream “a [color] person is attacking me!” when you don’t like them walking their dog down the trail. Etc.

          • Smoogs@lemmy.world
            1·
            6 months ago

            There is a lot of prediction you’re doing in things you don’t like in other people. I mean holy crap you’re reading between the lines, reading minds, and injecting a bunch of stuff that goes way over someone who calls the cops on someone in the park for existing while black. All so you can live in some form of victimhood cuz you’re scared of women. Leave the actual flagrant racism alone and challenge your thinking pattern. Do some cognitive work. Not every woman is out to get you. A lot of that is you likely not owning your shit, someone likely didn’t want to put up with your shit (while existing female around you) and you projecting that shit onto them.

            Meanwhile regardless how men dress or do they hair they can form a group for putting people to literal death.

            But yeah, do go on cuz you’re offended someone for colouring their hair purple and ordered a pumpkin spice latte with almond milk not a cappuccino and gasp tried to tell you this and you decided they are trying to ‘get you fired’ just for that. That’s digging into the real important shit of the world, snowflake.

        • PowerCrazy@lemmy.mlEnglish
          13·
          6 months ago

          Instead of atomizing citizens via immutable physical traits, try looking at the only thing that matters, the relationship of the person to Capital.

          • Rainonyourhead@lemmy.world
            7·
            6 months ago

            It all matters.

            Acknowledging how society divide and conquer, seperate and atomize citizens into segregated social groups, often linked to immutable traits, is essential to combat capitalism and tear down class dividers.

            There’s a reason bell hooks coined “imperialist white supremacist capitalist patriarchy”. These are interconnected oppressive systems. They strengthen and sustain each other, and one cannot be defeated without the others. Additionally; If you do not stand in solidarity with those who face a multitude of oppressive structures, they have less resources to fight the oppressive capitalist structures

            Ignoring everything but capitalism is similar to white feminism ignoring everything but gendered oppression.

            All women are not free until everyone is free.

            All workers are not free until everyone is free

            All black, indigenous, people of color and racialized minorities are not free until everyone is free

            All LGBTQ+ people are not free until everyone is free

            There is no workers’ liberation without women’s liberation without black people’s liberation without queer people’s liberation without disabled people liberation without…

            You cannot mobilize the working class without addressing the very real, oppressive structures that have very real, negative impact on people’s lives.

            Race isn’t real, and the idea that people are physically separated into racial groups is not real. That’s a human made, social construct.

            But racism is real. Humans separating humans into different social groups based on the socially constructed idea of “race” is real. And the effects of racism is real. Different rights and treatment being allocated humans based on these social groups are real. And therefore, the shared struggles against structural oppression within these groups are very real - despite the basis of these social groups’ creation being a social construct

            Not acknowledging the multitude of struggles and oppressive systems present in imperialist white supremacist capitalist patriarchy makes it impossible to stand in true solidarity with fellow workers, across social groups. It’ll inevitably lead to reinforcing the unrecognized oppressive structures, and stand in the way of a united working class.

          • letsgo@lemm.ee
            1·
            6 months ago

            The question isn’t aimed at proudboys but at you, calling use of the Karen name “underlying red herring sexism” but then demonstrating your own not so underlying but explicit red herring sexism with the use of “gun toting proudboys.” Unless you were being ironic of course.

            • Smoogs@lemmy.world
              1·
              6 months ago

              Is this your first introduction with the term ‘proudboy’? Did you just sleep through 2020 election and too embarrassed to admit it or were you literally born yesterday? Or is this just a troll shitPost attempt? I’m going to go with the last one and block your ass. So you’re going to have to find someone else’s time to waste with bad faith posting though I’d prefer it if you didn’t but whatever. you are clearly hellbent on being the shittiest version of you.

              • letsgo@lemm.ee
                1·
                6 months ago

                The ultimate “lalala I’m not listening”. What a fucking crybaby.

  • stembolts@programming.dev
    7219·
    6 months ago

    Sums it up. Fuck the fascist, genocidal Israeli leadership, and fuck the population of Israel as well because overall they support what is going on.

    And fuck US governments and institutions that invest in and fund Israel. Divest! Now!

    I don’t hate Jewish people, but I am certain with all this bullshit Israel is pulling, the population of people that do is growing.

    • TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee
      53·
      6 months ago

      Nothing quite like lemmy for that, would be surprised if the troll factory mobilized on reddit’s worldnews was beginning to catch on to the troll factories on the other side of the coin mobilized on lemmy. In fact, this being in lemmy.ml, I would normally expect only to hear about pro-Hamas opinions. Guess we’ll have to wait to see which comments get removed to see if things have changed or if it was simply just an day off.

      • booty [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        181·
        6 months ago

        You see, we need a moderate, balanced take on the topic of genocide. It would be impolite and improper to take a firm stance on such things. Just think of how you might hurt the feelings of a genocide enthusiast! I don’t know how I would sleep at night.

        • Joe@discuss.tchncs.de
          14·
          6 months ago

          Yawn. I guess everyone who doesn’t tow the party line and join the two minutes hate is censored here. My commentary was reasoned and appropriate to the comic.

          • booty [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            41·
            6 months ago

            God you’re so right, this is literally 1Q84 by Haruki Murakami. When will genocide supporters get their human rights?

      • sik0fewl@lemmy.ca
        328·
        6 months ago

        ‘from the river to the sea’, which of course is antisemitism

        I think you mean anticolonialism.

          • Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml
            142·
            6 months ago

            What do you call it when you forcefully remove hundreds of thousands of natives without letting them return and then replace them with people from all over the world?

            And this is still happening in the west bank.

      • Aceticon@lemmy.world
        171·
        6 months ago

        Only a racist would claim that a slogan which is at most anti-Israel is antisemitism because only a racist would would accept the “logic” chain of though required to equate Israel with Judaism: “all jews are the same hence they all support Israel hence Israel and Judaism are the same”.

        It’s even worse considering that some Jews are against the actions of Israel and even against Israel itself, so this person is saying that those Jews are antisemites (quite literally: against Jews), so a Non-Jew deeming some Jews as “Bad Jews”, a good old practice of, amongst others, the Nazis.

        One of the underlying messages of this cartoon is exactly that it’s the Zionist Karen that’s the real antisemite because claiming that somebody demonstrating against Genocide is against Jews, she’s implying that Genociding is a Jewish thing to do.

      • lemmyreader@lemmy.mlEnglish
        152·
        6 months ago

        Thanks for the nuanced comment. Of course the signs don’t only say ‘stop killing of children in Gaza’, but often ‘from the river to the sea’, which of course is antisemitism.

        Of course antisemitism ? That is what the repeated front-page news of mainstream media tried to make me believe a while ago, and then lots of politicians started to believe that as well, even banning that sentence in some countries. Here’s some information on it :

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea

        Many Palestinian activists have called it “a call for peace and equality” after decades of Israeli military rule over Palestinians while for Jews it is seen as a call for the “destruction” of Israel.

      • grrgyle@slrpnk.net
        63·
        6 months ago

        The full chant is “from the river to the sea [Palestine will be free]” which to me means that the state of Israel is unwelcome. Hell I’ve joined in on that chant, even though I’m not theoretically 100 against a permanent Israeli settlement, so long as it takes on a very very different form.

        • MY_ANUS_IS_BLEEDING@lemm.ee
          1·
          6 months ago

          Even though the removal of the state of Isreal would mean the ethnic cleansing / genocide of millions of Jews?

          Israel isn’t going anywhere. Many Arabic countries have already successfully completed the total eradication of all Jews within their populations, so they need somewhere to call home.

          Oh by the way, the original Arabic translation of “To the river to the sea” ends with “Palestine will be Arab.” They just changed it in English.

        • tearsintherain@leminal.space
          21·
          6 months ago

          Ummm, Israel is committed to indiscriminate violence, the world more than ever before watches in horror. If pro-Israel demonstrations are in full support of this violence, the mass killing of women and children, children dying of famine, the leveling of schools, universities, hospitals. Then that makes their protest pro-violence if they embrace all this death and destruction.