claim 1: “voting doesn’t change anything”

Never forget the recent case of Kris Mayes, who refuses to uphold the Arizona supreme court’s sweeping ban of abortion.

Kris Mayes only won her 2022 election by 280 votes. Voting changes things.

claim 2: “but genocide joe”

Yep. Hold that fucker’s feet to the fire. He has blood on his hands

But trump has promised to be indisputably worse.

I won’t tell you how to vote. I just encourage you to vote. You’re not radical for ditching the only miniscule right the state has granted you to do some small aid for your neighbors.

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    Spot on.

    I’m one of “those guys” championing voting third party or abstaining.

    Still gonna vote on the measures, but the 2 party system has 2 fascist parties, so I won’t vote for them.

    That gets constant “So YoUrE vOtInG fOr TrUmP! SaMe ThInG!”.

    Same guys calling the anti-zionism/pro-Palestine protests anti-semetic/pro-hamas.

    That can’t think 2 inches past their fascist’s asshole. Trump and Biden followers equally.

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      not spot on. with full respect, this post is not about you. i really love to hear that you are voting on the ballot measures. that is a good thing.

      others however are calling for non-voting altogether. this post is about them and not you, i apologize if you feel called out here that was not my intent.

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        Again, you keep saying “not voting” like they are just playing Call of Duty and cant be bothered.

        They are abstaining. There is a difference. When no viable candidate is presented, you abstain. That is the correct thing to do.

        Voting for fascism and genocide because that’s all that’s available is the wrong way to go about it.

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            Mathematically, the sweeping majority of Americans are registered Independent, so why are the “only options” Republican or Democrat?

            Oh ya, fascism. Enabled by people feeling bullied to vote for people they do not actually endorse.

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              so why are the “only options” Republican or Democrat?

              The first past the post voting system.

              All of you “literally every bad thing is fascism” people are a) morons in need of a civics class, and b) providing cover for the actual, real fascism that’s attempting to overthrow our democracy.

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      Russian troll is going to troll. “Both sides are the same” is about the most uninformed, naive, and idiotic thing I see.

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        American fascist throwing tankie/russian/chinese at an actual responsible American because their feefees are hurt I wont vote for their fascist.

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          “Responsible American” lol

          Naive, delusional, and malignant is a more apt description of “both sides” people.

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            43% of the country is currently registered independant.

            You are the minority.

            Third party is completely viable, fascists like you just clog up the discussion with your froth mouthed boot licking.

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      third party or not voting means you don’t want to help stop Trump being elected and you approve of his blank check support of genocide.

      I’m not saying you want to vote for Trump, but you have no intention of doing anything to try and stop it, and all the worse outcomes that come along with it.

      Until you get preferential voting / ranked voting, that’s how it is in the USA. Grow up and deal with it.