This is clearly concerning as hell. It’s extremely dangerous. But that said, I think it’s hilarious how this same grouping that wants violence to be okay in their politics still gets extremely bent out of shape when any violence happens towards them.
“HANG MIKE PENCE (if he doesn’t do exactly what we want under threat of violence)!”
(Ashli Babbit)
“HOW DARE THEY! THEY HAVE BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS!”
Like, my guy, if Biden had some agents show up at your door and point guns at you and asked “Oh okay, so we can kill politically inconvenient people if we feel like now?” you’d feel a completely different way.
It’s because the current right has no imagination. They’re completely unable to formulate a thought that is original too. The lack of imagination is why they are surprised at the consequences of their actions. They literally never imagined it would happen to them AND they are unable to imagine what the realities of prison are so they cry themselves into a sloppy mess every time they are sentenced.
Btw, that lack of imagination is also why they have no empathy - it also literally never occurs to them what the consequences of their actions are for other people. The only way a conservative/right winger will understand the situation is by experiencing it. They do not have the capacity for imagining or empathizing.
It’s lack of a specific type of imagination though. Empathy, like you said is clearly lacking, but I think imagining consequences might be the same type, it’s just empathy for your future self.
They certainly display a healthy imagination when it comes to conspiracy theories. Maybe fantastical imagination, but not realism? (Sorry for the laymanisms, it’s been 25 years since I slept through my philosophy and psychology 100 classes).
I think it’s even more severe than that. I think in the American version, each of them places their own individual selves on top of their own little hierarchy (whether white or not or whatever), and everyone else is in the “no rights” group. That’s why they booed Trump when he talked about the vaccine instead of suddenly falling into line 1984-style behind the new idea. That’s why they were genuinely confused by the capitol police fighting back against them – you hear over and over again in videos people saying things like “We’re on your side” to the cops, like they genuinely expected the cops in the capitol building to suddenly turn around and become part of the mob that was in their mind “the good guys.”
IDK, maybe it was always that way. But I feel like with classical fascism there was some kind of genuine awareness of the reality of what they were asking for. Say whatever you want about Hitler; he was in the infantry, he saw quite a lot of combat, he wasn’t scared of physical confrontation. Trump talks a big game but he mostly pussies out if it comes to any kind of real confrontation, and his followers are inspired likewise. Look at the tiny size of the post-January-6th rallies in support of Trump; his movement is still dangerous because a lot of them have appetite for doing anonymous violent things, but for the most part they don’t seem like they’re down for street fighting or going to prison or things that might come right back at them.
I think it’s inherent to the fundamental ideology of conservatism, that there are in groups that the law must protect and not bind, and our groups that the law must bind but and not protect. Every single conservative out there imagines that they are the living definition of the in-group, or that they have a secret pass they can use to get the out-groupers they like into the in-group, when neither is ever true. There is no amount of deviancy from the in group that is acceptable, and if you’re not part of the in group, you’re automatically in the out group. Conservatives who are not seen (pro tip: say “not seen” five times fast for a clue about the republican special guest star) to be promoting the interests of the in group as aggressively as possible aren’t serving the dynamic, who aren’t acting as part of the in group, are therefore part of the out group (bound and not protected). What they’re threatening these people with here isn’t just death, it’s exile into the out group, being made vulnerable to the very law they want to establish. So, that’s the secret here, comply or die isn’t just a political rallying cry, it’s the threat that they’d like to level at all of us, they’re only using it explicitly on each other because it’s all they feel comfortable with for now.
This is clearly concerning as hell. It’s extremely dangerous. But that said, I think it’s hilarious how this same grouping that wants violence to be okay in their politics still gets extremely bent out of shape when any violence happens towards them.
“HANG MIKE PENCE (if he doesn’t do exactly what we want under threat of violence)!”
(Ashli Babbit)
“HOW DARE THEY! THEY HAVE BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS!”
Like, my guy, if Biden had some agents show up at your door and point guns at you and asked “Oh okay, so we can kill politically inconvenient people if we feel like now?” you’d feel a completely different way.
It’s because the current right has no imagination. They’re completely unable to formulate a thought that is original too. The lack of imagination is why they are surprised at the consequences of their actions. They literally never imagined it would happen to them AND they are unable to imagine what the realities of prison are so they cry themselves into a sloppy mess every time they are sentenced.
Btw, that lack of imagination is also why they have no empathy - it also literally never occurs to them what the consequences of their actions are for other people. The only way a conservative/right winger will understand the situation is by experiencing it. They do not have the capacity for imagining or empathizing.
Yep pretty much. It’s just formulaic now. Perform some heinous act, then accuse liberals of doing that same act.
It’s lack of a specific type of imagination though. Empathy, like you said is clearly lacking, but I think imagining consequences might be the same type, it’s just empathy for your future self.
They certainly display a healthy imagination when it comes to conspiracy theories. Maybe fantastical imagination, but not realism? (Sorry for the laymanisms, it’s been 25 years since I slept through my philosophy and psychology 100 classes).
It’s that they think white wealthy men who pray the right way have unlimited rights and nobody else has any
I think it’s even more severe than that. I think in the American version, each of them places their own individual selves on top of their own little hierarchy (whether white or not or whatever), and everyone else is in the “no rights” group. That’s why they booed Trump when he talked about the vaccine instead of suddenly falling into line 1984-style behind the new idea. That’s why they were genuinely confused by the capitol police fighting back against them – you hear over and over again in videos people saying things like “We’re on your side” to the cops, like they genuinely expected the cops in the capitol building to suddenly turn around and become part of the mob that was in their mind “the good guys.”
IDK, maybe it was always that way. But I feel like with classical fascism there was some kind of genuine awareness of the reality of what they were asking for. Say whatever you want about Hitler; he was in the infantry, he saw quite a lot of combat, he wasn’t scared of physical confrontation. Trump talks a big game but he mostly pussies out if it comes to any kind of real confrontation, and his followers are inspired likewise. Look at the tiny size of the post-January-6th rallies in support of Trump; his movement is still dangerous because a lot of them have appetite for doing anonymous violent things, but for the most part they don’t seem like they’re down for street fighting or going to prison or things that might come right back at them.
I think it’s inherent to the fundamental ideology of conservatism, that there are in groups that the law must protect and not bind, and our groups that the law must bind but and not protect. Every single conservative out there imagines that they are the living definition of the in-group, or that they have a secret pass they can use to get the out-groupers they like into the in-group, when neither is ever true. There is no amount of deviancy from the in group that is acceptable, and if you’re not part of the in group, you’re automatically in the out group. Conservatives who are not seen (pro tip: say “not seen” five times fast for a clue about the republican special guest star) to be promoting the interests of the in group as aggressively as possible aren’t serving the dynamic, who aren’t acting as part of the in group, are therefore part of the out group (bound and not protected). What they’re threatening these people with here isn’t just death, it’s exile into the out group, being made vulnerable to the very law they want to establish. So, that’s the secret here, comply or die isn’t just a political rallying cry, it’s the threat that they’d like to level at all of us, they’re only using it explicitly on each other because it’s all they feel comfortable with for now.